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So, what is mitochondria?
You’ve taught me a few things about mitochondria, but I’m definitely not the one to tell you what it is.
Yeah, it’s this kind of words that we hear very often, and mostly in biology and advanced research on DNA and etc. But people have a very simplistic idea what it is. So what I would like to do is to try to give an overview,
okay, so in a nutshell, what would you say to us is mitochondria.
So, the mitochondria is the power generation of ourselves. Our sales have evolved. So if we, if we stick to the evolution of life on this planet, under the guidance of God, according to his lows, he has devised a certain process for life to develop from very simplistic cells, until very complex forms more and more complex as we go through the millions years, right at the beginning mono cells, and they were using energy. So each cell is an enclosed organism that needs energy to make chemical reactions happen, right? These chemical reactions in any living organisms, whether they can be plants or animals, it’s what we call the currency energy of the cell. It’s, it’s a molecule called ATP, adenosine triphosphate, right, so let’s not go into nerdy words. But you need each time you put too many crews together, and you want them to interact to create a protein to break a protein to create a normal to make some passage through cells each time you need an energy, you need this molecule of ATP to be close to the two or three or several molecules to provide energy to the reaction. Okay, it’s like basically finding a plug of electricity in a wall, because when this molecule of ATP is close, and he’s needed to release electrons, this electricity, it will break up one phosphate and provide electrons.
So what is mitochondria?
So in order to living organisms to, to, to live, you need this ATP, there’s two ways a cell can produce ATP. Historically, until 1.51 point 6 billion years ago, all cells were living on fermentation of glucose of sugar. Sorry, with with this reaction, which is called glycolysis, seven step of breaking the glucose into ATP. But with winman molecule of glucose, you get three ATPs. Okay. 1.5 billion years ago, it is hypothesized that one cell has been integrated within the other cells, and this cell is a mitochondria. But these mitochondria are very efficient and producing energy. Because with one glucose, they can produce 36 ATPs. So it’s much more efficient in producing energy for ourselves.
And the glucose we’re talking about is that the natural glucose that our body produces, or are we talking about like sugary stuff that everybody loves.
So at the end of the day, either we eat things and they transfer, we called carbohydrates and they at the end, they end up into things glucose or fructose, okay, but our bodies or liver is producing glucose on demand of its own, on its own, and we don’t need any external influx of any any glucose. In
fact, we shouldn’t be putting in any external forms of glucose or fructose. Is that correct? Yeah,
knowing that our whole vascular system contains only five grams of sugar. You know, a piece of bread can contain up to 20 grams of sugar. So our body is very overwhelmed by the sugar and the glucose itself. We know that is very deleterious to the body it caused. glycation of of cells is creating havoc and destruction within the body. It’s a it’s a toxin that is used as a fuel. But it has to be controlled in this level, and it’s done through insulin, right. So what’s happening is that our bodies can work on two fuels cut so it’s called ketones, these fat bodies, let’s say or glucose, right? ate, the mitochondria can use both. And the glucose is burned preferably very quickly because it is so dangerous for the body that the body wants to get rid of it as soon as possible to get the level of sugar at an acceptable level
for it the external sugar that we put into any sugar. So when mitochondria is at its peak healthy state, it’s the optimal energy and we feel our best.
Exactly everything is determined by and this is, you know, research that have been going on for the past, I would say 20 years with more and more we understand that the idea that our cells are governed by a nucleus, and within this nucleus, there is our DNA. That is like the chief orchestra of all the what’s happening in our body. Yeah, we more and more understand that this is not the case, that the real chief orchestra of the activity of ourselves and of our processes, is the mitochondria. The mitochondria is determining the cell division, and is providing all the energy needed for anything that happens in in one cell, you have 1 million every second chemical reaction site.
So why are we hearing the narrative that the DNA is performing this this role, when actually the mitochondria is more critical to this narrative? Well,
when DNA was discovered, medicine, there was a hypothesis that it was dry driving everything. Okay. And we know it is called even today in School of Medicine, when you learn the role of DNA, they call it the central dogma, right? If medicine, yeah, the dogma is that you have a DNA within the nucleus of the cell, this nucleus is within the enclosure of the cell, and various RNA messengers that would take information from the DNA, go out of the nucleus into some factory production to produce the proteins you need. Right? Right. This is a central dogma. And there’s a very interesting anecdote because it was it was said until the beginning of the 70s, that there was absolutely no information that could go from outside the DNA and be inscribed into the DNA, the DNA was received by your, from your parents. And you could could never be changed except through replication errors, mutations, right? That happened randomly. This This was the basic, but in the beginning of 70s, people have been discovering what is called the read whole transcript as which is that some information, RNA information can be inscribed within the DNA. So you have this double movement. And the chief of the Pasteur Institute at the time, when he was reading the paper of one researcher of the Pasteur Institute, Bill Jansky, who discovered the transcript as inverse transcript. As he said, as long as I am the director of the Pasteur Institute, reverse transcriptase will not exist. And this is how strong they felt the way things work.
It was an inconvenient truth that they just didn’t want to bother with,
because it was the shattering of the whole view. Of course,
it shatters their whole narrative on the whole DNA proposal. Yeah.
Then we, probably around 10 years ago, the discovery of epigenetics, which is that is not only sufficient that you have the DNA, the DNA is like a blueprint with, let’s say, recipes for producing many things in your body. But these recipes, you need to act on them. And whether these recipes are being cooked or not, depends on the environment, on your level of stress. And it’s called epigenetics, right? So basically think about the DNA as the gun. And epigenetics is the whether you’re pressing the trigger or not. Okay, so when we said that, Oh, my God, there is a mutation in this part, and you have a gene that is very bad. Well, they understand more and more that it is bad if it is triggered. And many times you can make an intervention in your way of living or in your nutrition that prevents the triggering of this thing. That could be dangerous.
So coming back to mitochondria, what role does it play? In layman’s terms in our in our life and in influencing all of these factors?
Yes, this is like the world, the wild wall, the West, you know, it’s a cowboy country, and there’s a lot of research and we are just starting to scratch the surface. But what we know is that body health of any living organism health depends on the health of the mitochondria, for example, all cancers, they have one thing in common For a long time, and since the 50s, or the 40s, cancer has been thought of as a mutation of the DNA that prevents a control of the replication of the cell, except that when you take a tumor of any cancer, some of the cells have this mutation. And some other cells are normal, but they still behave the same way. So the anomaly in the DNA is not the common factor in all the cancer cells. The common factor is really that mitochondria are not functioning. Wow. And they are not functioning. It means that ATP needs to be produced the old way before mitochondria existed, which is through fermentation, and only glucose can be used. This is why ketogenic diets, when you starve the body, from all these external sugars, you starve the cancer cells from much of the fuel they need to grow.
I think we need to do a talk on the dry fasting that you taught me, which has really turned around my energy levels, and just it’s so superior to anything that I’ve ever done. But coming back to mitochondria, and the ATP. So what are some of the things that we can be aware of that we can do? And be proactive to keep our mitochondria optimal?
Yeah, this is a field of research that is developing. There is an this is probably worth an episode. There is a there is hydrogen. So basically, why do we breathe? And why do we eat? Yeah, from an energy perspective and energy production perspective, we eat to provide our mitochondria with hydrogen. And we breathe so that this hydrogen is being used by the mitochondria, and is being captured at the, let’s say, at the existent exit of the process by an oxygen, and this creates water, and then the co2 that we exhale. So the only, the only reason we really breathe is to get this oxygen that will capture to hydrogen to make water, for example, and then co2. So
So wait, so the bottom line to our eating and breathing. The bottom line is the motoric mitochondria. That’s what it ends up being all about. Yes, since that’s remarkable,
the production of energy until the mitochondria integrated ourselves, this production of energy was an Arabic didn’t need any oxygen fermentation doesn’t need oxygen. When since mitochondria is so efficient, it is the preferred mode of production of energy, but it needs oxygen. And this is why you have oxygen. So a good breathing a good is helping the mitochondria right?
So good breathing would mean when you’re going on a rigorous walk, let’s say a brisk walk. And you’re you’re made to breathe as you as you walk. So you’re breathing deep in and out or even say, a light jog or a hike or something. So that’s why staying active alongside eating well. And of course, all the other things that we talked about living well, is critical. Absolutely a healthy mitochondria. Absolutely.
In fact, all the healthy things we are told, like exercise, breathing correctly, sleeping correctly all have a link to the health of the mitochondria. Now, we may be lucky and unlucky now mitochondria, because contrary to the nucleus, DNA, which comes from both the mother and the father, and if there is any problem in one chain of the DNA, the mother’s corresponding chain can be healthy. The mitochondria only comes from the mother. Really? Yes, it only comes from the mother and it has its own DNA, okay, which is called mitochondrial DNA, and it’s only coming from the mother. And this mitochondria you have in each of your cells are the children of mitochondria that existed in your grandmother’s body. Because when a human being female human being is born, this baby already contains in her body all the eggs that she she’s going to use to her fertile years. Yeah. And these eggs have been in fact, produced by the grandmother.
Right? Wow. Right. Yeah. And
during the cell division of the of the, when the baby is is produced. visa vie, the DNA is replicated and you have half remember the half from father, but all the sad engines within the cells are duplicated from the oval from the egg of the mother, right and this egg contains the middle country of the mother. And when this the egg divides when it’s fecundity it you know, when divided in two, you have half of the Makoto laundry either go one way, and half go the other way. If your mother had, let’s say, 50% of our military mitochondria in bad health, it could be that you inherit on one side goes 90% of bad mitochondria, badly, function mitochondria, in this case, the baby will be very unhealthy.
So the grandmother has to make sure that she is extremely healthy or keeps herself optimal in her health, in order for even her grandchildren to benefit from her healthy steps. So it’s not just always about what the mother is eating during the pregnancy, or even prior to the pregnancy, it really goes back another generation. Yes, absolutely.
It is important for the mother to be healthy, and to provide nutrition to so that the baby can grow. But from a genetic perspective, from a seed, the perspective the quality of the seed really depends on the grandmother for a girl.
And so that’s why it’s very important to be aware of what’s actually really good for you, and what isn’t, because whatever, especially for a woman, you know, you consume, it’s going to affect the next two generations of your family.
Absolutely. And I think today, children who are born in the 20s, are probably the first generation that are born out of a generation that has been eating these incredibly processed foods, rang dish, real foods, their parents, you know, the, the baby boomers, the baby boomers themselves, they were raised on very healthy diets, generally, let’s say in terms of industrial seed oils, etc. They constructed their body when they were young, in a period where all of this was not as available as their children, you mean
feed oils, and all these things weren’t as available. So therefore, they just by default, were a bit healthier,
the they got sick, they maybe got heart problems, etc. But their structures were built when they until they were, you know, teenagers on on food that was not that processed, and tampered with, right. There are children that are the first generation to have been building bodies on crap on very human made hood, right.
But when we talk about when we say crap, we mean not only the junk food, like the sodas and the cakes, and the cookies, and the candy and all that we’re talking about the seed oil, but we’re also talking about manmade agriculture, right? We know that agriculture has changed over time. And so even the current agriculture, no matter how clean the soil is, how clean the air is, and you know, you you have complete control over the way that plants are grown. It’s still not good for
us. No, it’s not good. But let’s say the problem was compounded over years, because the soils are getting poorer and poorer, in minerals. So you could you could go into intensive agriculture, and still produce fruits and vegetables, they were nutritious the body and contains not of natural toxins, but the bodies could have this nutrition and still be able to maybe to fight off most of this toxicity. today. We have unfortunately, industrial products that are not only not nutritious, but they contain an even increased number of toxins and more and more potent with bodies that are less and less healthy because of the mitochondria impact the mitochondria, it can be measured that activity, you know, and on all chronic disease. The common factor really is that mitochondria are not providing enough energy for the body to defend itself and to clean itself to resist and to fight off toxins.
So how do we up the game for mitochondria? How do we make it so so that it does give us the maximum benefits?
Well, it’s a proper nutrition and in many, many vegetables, you you you have oxalic acid, for example, that makes oxalates when it binds with potassium or magnesium, and these can create havoc in the mitochondria. There’s also something that is seldomly talked about it’s hydrogen that is a heavy hydrogen. It’s called deuterium. And you know, concentration of a molecule is measured in millimoles are in moles is the measure. So if you say that the concentration of calcium in your body in your blood streams etc is like two millimoles of calcium magnesium is maybe one minimum, nobody will say that calcium, magnesium are not important for the functioning of the body, right? It’s important, because if you lack those things, you just die. Yeah. Now deuterium, which is a very specific kind of hydrogen, it’s a nitrogen. But it’s a nitrogen, that is two times more heavy than the regular hydrogen that is needed for the functioning of the mitochondria. Right? This deuterium is as a concentration of 12 millimole. So it’s like four times more than magnesium. And nobody talks about it. Why? Why don’t we talk? Because it’s a recent discovery. Yeah. I mean, the, what, what is called the ATP synthesis, which is the way mitochondria produce this marvelous molecule because ATP that we discussed at the beginning, that provides energy to all cellular reactions in your body. The way it’s done, and we’ll make it very simple because microbiology is a fascinating world, and very, very complicated. And you it’s like a rabbit hole. Yeah. And we are just starting to scratch the surface. But what was discovered, measured and observed is that how is an ATP molecule produced? It is produced by the mitochondria that has on the surface, what is called Nano motors. Yeah, these are proteins that turn on themselves at the speed of 6000 Turn per minute, it’s more than the motto of a Porsche right, this molecule to turn the the thing that makes them turn is hot on Yeah, look, a nitrogen is just a proton with an electron electron to make it stable. So, the reaction is that when you eat the hydrogen in your food goes into your cell, then there is a Krebs cycle there is a very complicated biochemical reactions that strip this hydrogen of its electron and proton is used to make these wheels turn Yeah, they turn very fast and each time they turn they produce ATP.
So the deuterium needs to be low
Yes, because if one of the hydrogen that goes into these wheels is a deuterium it creates havoc,
but yet it doesn’t need to be now we the goal is not to have no deteriorate right? We need some
Yes, because of this, these are very advanced research in the production of ATP, it’s an impairment. So, you have in all these biological reactions, many steps in the biology to make sure that less detail than them as much as less detail them as possible are entering these nanometers, but but a level of detail Areum is needs to be sufficient in the cells because deuterium concentration in the cell is one of the way the cells is signaled that it can replicate for example, so if you have no deuterium you have basically no duplication of the cell okay. So no, no growth right. And you can see that if you if you plant seeds of the same plant yeah in different pots, and you just water the seed with low deuterium water and hydrogen water, you will see the plant with high deuterium until a certain point. If it exceeds a certain point, it dies but the low deuterium will grow much lower and less fast so
our food and our water should be loaded terrarium I remember one of the first things that you gifted me when we met with low deuterium water and I think you got it from the Netherlands if I’m not mistaken Hungary.
Well, yeah, sometimes it’s a good company there
and and I remember I drank you made me drink all the bottles and I remember it really affected and impacted me positively with my energy levels and the clarity and all that. So is that is that what what we should be feeling when we have low deuterium in our system or adequate determine
we are meant to maintain a certain level of deuterium, which can be set to 120 parts per million, meaning that our hydrogen within the body and in our water that within the cells should if you have 1 million hydrogen, you should have no more than 120 deuterium atoms. And this is the optimal one of the 21 of the 30. The water we consume is generally a one on with 50 but if you drink water with 180 You die. Wow. Okay.
So how does one know what kind of water they’re drinking? We don’t know. And But do we do we have an idea of like certain regions where we get water from have higher deuterium?
Yes, we know that the nether the northern you go, the more north? Yeah, the more north you go the less deuterium you have in your environment. Yeah, but we’re talking about 140 parts per million when they in the equator in the north of the oceans in general, we have 150 parts per million. Our bodies are meant to operate around 120
surround, which region should we be trying to get our water from?
So the lower deuterium water we find in Iceland we find in Greenland.
So if we can find bottled water that comes from Iceland, for example. Good idea. Yes, it’s
a good idea. But they are still very expensive. And they they come late at 140, we still have to bridge this gap of 20 parts per million. And our bodies are equipped to do that. We have our microbiome. Yeah. It is hypothesized, and I think is very convincing that a lot of activities of a microbiome is a way for a body to discriminate deuterium.
So if we drank water, say from Iceland, and it’s not really optimal, our body will do the rest of the job. Yes, during the determine that one? Yes,
but I think we shouldn’t really, I think the main intervention we can do is it’s our food. Yeah, because the plants in particular have the same problem as we do, which is that the need to reduce the deuterium level, it is hypothesized that digital content in the atmosphere has increased over the past few 100 years. So we’re breathing it now. Yeah, and we and we are consuming it all the time. I mean, hydrogen, probably is probably 70% of all the atoms in this universe is hydrogen. Yeah, they prevent it, we cannot escape it. It’s not a toxic in itself. It is needed. But it is, it must be controlled in its. And you have clinics in the US in Hungary that are using deuterium depletion, which is lowering the determine levels in people to cure cancer and metabolic diseases. They have,
I find that fascinating. I remember you, you sent me a link a while ago on that. There was a researcher, he was some science scientist, and he was talking about how they managed to cure cancer with just lowering the determined people. Yes. I don’t know why this is picked up on on a larger scale by the medical industry, I have no
doubt that this will lead to a Nobel Prize at one point, but you know, how science advances it advances one generation at a time, you have people who are very strongly feeling about the causes of disease, like in cancer research, the big buses, they have made all their carrier on the hypotheses that cancer is a DNA problem. Yeah, and not a mathematical problem.
And so when that gets challenged, then just dismiss it NASA dismisses their entire their work.
So you need a generation to replace people who have less self interest in defending a certain position right and can look at things objectively like cancer as a metabolic disease, because once again, cancer is really a non functioning of the mitochondria. So how do we reduce and the auditorium excess you have in your body, the less happy the meter, Canaria Ha, and they are functioning very low, they are not producing producing enough energy so that you can use efficiently all your mechanisms in your body to fight off toxins. Okay, so you’re overwhelmed. So the main intervention you can do is to consume food that contain the lower possible deuterium contents,
which are which are which are some of those foods
it happens that the plants as I told you have the same problem as we do and reducing the deuterium contents? Yeah, because they are facing the same issues, that material is impairing the mitochondria. And it happens that when they get rid of the deuterium, they put it in their sugar. Okay, so fruits are very high content material, we should not be eating fruits. If we have metabolic problems, it’s a very bad idea because we are it’s not only the problem of the sugar, and we talked about glycation of the sales and the problems that sugar are creating in the body but we add deuterium now the the food that contain the last time somebody’s meat and fat, right, okay, wow.
So wait, okay, you said fruits are out of the question. What about vegetables? What a green greeny leafy vegetables and and other vegetables? Well,
you know, cellulose is still a sugar that we cannot digest, but it’s still a sugar. It’s a chain of glucose.
And vegetables contain cellulose and in a problematic manner, as I said before,
yes, and they do and much more than any animal product. Okay, Yeah, and the thing is, the more the water that is the most concentrated in deuterium is the water of the oceans and the water of the rivers and of the under, under water under the ground water, okay, and the fruits and vegetables we were eating until probably 70 years ago, were mostly irrigated through water coming from the rain. Okay? Since deuterium is an hydrogen that is more heavy than the regular hydrogen, when evaporation happens, the let’s say the the rain is deuterium depleted a bit. And it’s lower in deuterium than the water that remains in the rivers or in the so irrigation and the general practice of taking water from rivers or underground and putting in on your crops, that it has increased the determine level of the plants of any plants you have.
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